The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.

Technology

React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.

Leadership

From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."

Shenanigans

Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes


Refactored 165: "Counting Is Hard"

Wherein the guys time travel but Chris can't clone a repo.

published Apr 25, 2025
Show Notes

  • The guys never recorded episode 162. So in case you were wondering, it just doesn’t exist. Joke’s on you.
  • Unexpected surprise: this episode includes a cameo by Matt Damon, soundtracked by Europe.
  • Chris can’t clone a repo. There’s no commentary on that… it’s so-sad-it’s-funny enough on its own.
  • The guys talk beers, lizards, real customers, and interpersonal conflict.
  • FAANG is discussed: what “special” skills do you actually need?
  • … and much more!


Refactored 164: "Vibe Check: Messrs. Dunning and Kruger Would Like a Word"

Wherein the guys autocomplete on steroids.

published Apr 25, 2025
Show Notes

  • The guys are going to start a vibe-code-cleanup consultancy. Lot of money to be made…
  • Yet Another Debate about whether LLM are going to but technologists out of business.
  • Chris explains why lack of understanding creates false confidence in LLM capability.
  • The guys spend some time chatting about the malware industry.
  • … and much more!


Refactored 163: "It's Always Permissions (or DNS)"

Wherein the guys hate all databases.

published Apr 18, 2025
Show Notes

  • Chris has a war story about PosgtreSQL upgrades changing default permissions. TLDR: stuff breaked then Chris fix.
  • Frank drops some trivia: MySQL, MariaDB, and MaxDB are named after Monty Widenius’ kids.
  • DeepSeek [non-]update: they just stole and lied. More at 11 after sports, weather, and traffic.
  • TikTok: Stealing data from your phone? Frank believes it, Chris doesn’t.
  • The guys debate religiosity of tech stack choices within companies.
  • Frank decries cutls of personality, and also ColdFusion. Like… duh. Honestly, which is worse?
  • … and much more!


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