The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.

Technology

React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.

Leadership

From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."

Shenanigans

Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes


Refactored 153: "Clicking Up the Wrong Tree"

Wherein the guys plot to overthrow HR after talking about hip thrustage.

published Jan 17, 2025
Show Notes

  • Chris is in love with ClickUp on TikTok. Straight unhinged. But he’s not in love with ClickUp itself. The guys debate.
  • All-in-one vs specialized tools? The classic debate.
  • Chris tells a story about the wrong people being put in charge of the wrong “hard” things.
  • Frank sees opportunity for SQLite in prod. Chris is skeptical af bruh.
  • … and much more!


Refactored 152: "A Framework of Fear"

Wherein the chatbots get a bit snacky.

published Jan 10, 2025
Show Notes

  • Comment Block
    • “With the explosion of AI tools I’m becoming more paranoid than ususal. How can I trust that any of these AI powered platforms are secure when I know how often we skip actual security reviews, and should I be worred that we’re prioritizing cool features over actual security?”
      • The guys try to figure out what ‘security’ actually means here.
  • LLMs: Not So Smart (PDF warning) after all. Shocking, I know.
  • React Server Components: What’s old is new again. Can’t make this crap up.
  • The pick of the week is
  • … and much more!


Refactored 151: "Horse Massacre"

Wherein Frank visits the bakery while Chris loves a game no one's ever heard of.

published Nov 8, 2024
Show Notes

  • The guys debate risk and business context of “tech debt” and whether that term is even valid. Good luck getting management to care!
  • Frank says microservices are just trendy, while Chris just complains about the operational complexity. Either way, maybe we can just… not?… for a while?
  • Can you speak “business?” Sadly it’s a gate to efficacy, and not just for the ladder climbers. Quantifying risk, time-efficiency, and top-line numbers are all part of the game.
  • The pick of the week is Donut — no it’s not a SoLoMo app changing the world for busy cops, but it can help engender a stronger sense of community through Slack.
  • … and much more!


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