The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 135: "Fiber Fiasco"

Wherein Frank explains config management while Chris prepares to go postal.

published May 10, 2024
Show Notes

  • Chris gets entangled in a suburban standoff where HOAs and ISPs play hot potato with his Internet dreams.
  • Logitech, once a name synonymous with quality peripherals, now hocking an “AI” mouse. For real.
  • Ansible and Pulumi pick up steam. No one loves Chef anymore. Terraform is still a thing.
  • The pick of the week is Pulumi - IaC that sucks a lot less.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 134: "Standard Issue Hostility"

Wherein Frank wants you to stick to your guns.

published Apr 26, 2024
Show Notes

  • American Kennel Club makes a mockery of their trademark. Frank explains.
  • Chris explains why he’s ruined his life. Again.
    • Yet Another Email Migration. Gonna hashtag #YAEM for next time.
    • Moves back to QWERTY because he loves the pain.
  • The guys have a good debate over standards vs technological innovation.
  • Does every product pitch need AI? Yes, and no.
  • The pick of the week is UserVoice, because God gave you two ears and one mouth.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 133: "Helldevins 2: The Electric Intelligoo"

Wherein Chris spirals about consoles and Frank loves punchcards.

published Apr 19, 2024
Show Notes

  • Devin was a lie. Can’t make this stuff up. The guys eat humble pie, admitting their miscall on AI’s immediate threat to software engineering jobs.
  • Helldivers 2 storms gaming, leaving Chris ever FOMOd.
  • The pick of the week is the Makalu Max from Mountain.
  • … and much more!

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