The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders trying to suck less every day, with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 070: "Leadership README"

Wherein Frank will go nuts for doughnuts and Chris looks like Darth Vader.

published Jun 14, 2022
Show Notes

  • Frank buys a first-class ticket on the follicle train to vanitytown. Chris pounces on his candid vulnerability to score cheap conversation points.
  • Frank steals the show with a great (stolen) idea: The Leadership README. Credit to Gary Foster and Katie Wilde, in turn.
  • Frank shares his responses and Chris fumbles through his own hot takes. Some of the prompts include:
    • What makes you grumpy?
    • How do you like feedback - slack, email, in person, etc?
    • How do you prefer to receive recognition? (public or private)
    • What are your goals for this year? And for the next 3 months?
    • What’s your favorite baked good?
  • … and much more!

Refactored 069: "Days Since Last Rona"

Wherein Frank buys a lot of toys and Chris dreams of trolling the poors.

published May 31, 2022
Show Notes

  • A three week hiatus?!?!?! It was a team effort:
    • Chris rides the Rona and has a rough go of it for two weeks - is he stupid, weak, or both?
    • Frank successfully fails to record the first attempt at 69 (nice).
  • The guys talk $1T Bitcoin, the Etherium PoS merge, fractional reserve banking, stablecoins, UST depegging, and market volatility.
  • Frank buys a new PC with a RTX3070 in it a new RTX3070 with the rest of a computer wrapped around it. Chris can’t remember the name of Fractal Design, which has been his choice of case for his last several builds.
  • The guys talk device/software pricing. Is a subscription for features on a discrete device fair?
  • Chris complains that GitLab breaks something (again) but it’s ok because the community is awesome: point and case. Yay GiLab! Yay open source!
  • The picks of the week are Origin PC custom gaming rigs, the reMarkable 2 paper tablet, and Apple’s AirPods Pro.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 068: "Well-Rounded Cybers"

Wherein Chris is a perv and Frank grovels for work.

published May 11, 2022
Show Notes

  • Holy moly y’all — Frank got a new job, and now he’s doing the cybers!
  • Do you lead your personal brand with “ex-Facebook,” “ex-Google,” or similar? You maybe shouldn’t do that, the guys think.
  • The guys discuss the infosec “community.” Cliquey like Mean Girls but boy oh boy can some of those folks executive.
  • Speaking of executives… the topic of well-roundedness comes up. You gotta be a perfect circle? Or would, say, octacontaheptagonal be smooth enough? Mild debate ensues.
  • Feedback: Joyce asks, “What are your thoughts on the best ways for handling goal setting and employee reviews?”
  • The pick of the week is the Freakonomics podcast, specifically the current series on higher education (starting with episode 500) - it speaks to (much more than) the debate from Refactored #062.
  • … and much more!

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