The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders trying to suck less every day, with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 054: "puts Debugging in Prod"

Wherein Frank is a shill for but Chris is more highly decorated than a North Korean general.

published Jan 25, 2022
Show Notes

  • Chris describes a (totally hypothetical - asking for a friend) failure mode of using EFCore and JsonApiDotNetCore.
  • You ever had user complaints of “general slowness?” The guys commiserate, then discuss different paradigms for trying to identify issues in production.
  • The guys debate the pitfalls of contracts. Do you want to crash a Mars Rover? Because that’s how you crash a Mars Rover.
  • Frank… my gosh for the eleventh time this month?… lays bare his passionate adoration for Do you remember having to manually manipulate XMLHttpRequest objects? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
  • There are 2 Hard Problems(tm) in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors.
  • Chris equates Jeeps and Node.js - great tools for the specific problem they solve well. Bad experience everywhere else, all the time.
  • Jets suck, Yankees suck, Nicks suck.
  • Krypton sucks.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 053: "Work Harder, Not Smarter"

Wherein Frank's brother gets rich while Chris turns into an old man.

published Jan 18, 2022
Show Notes

  • Case Study: NYC-based firm burns lease agreement in 2020, then doubles their renevue in 2022. “BuT rEmOtE dOeSn’T wOrK!!!1”
  • Chris cautions companies to think through a remote transition carefully (spoiler: that doesn’t mean don’t do it). The guys agree that remote work represents a fundamentally different paradigm of interaction compared to a central office.
  • The guys talk about the tech talent shortage dragging on for years.
  • Frank can’t stand it when leaders reject new ideas. Chris argues it basically boils down to poor communication skills and/or ego.
  • The guys discuss how to sell your finance / accounting team on doing new things that “cost” money.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 052: "How to Rage Quit (the Right Way)"

Wherein Chris plays Pokémon and Frank plays Legos.

published Jan 13, 2022
Show Notes

  • The guys both unplugged, and you should too. They played Pokémon, Magic: The Gathering, and Legos. They discuss the Lego Star Destroyer, Titanic, and Red Barn Woodshop — hope you’ve got deep pockets!
  • W. Chan Kim & Renée Mauborgne enter the chat as Frank mentions Blue Ocean Strategy.
  • Frank hypothesizes on why the PS5 is still Unobtainium… Chris doesn’t think he’ll get one before he dies.
  • Chris clears up a common confusion regarding semiconductors and breast implants.
  • DoorDash in the spotlight - is their WeDash program unreasonable? No. Spoiler: Still no. Quite the opposite. Some whiner gets appropriately lambasted by… everyone.
  • Chris drops two PSAs: First, nothing on the Internet that says “anonymous” is. Second, if you’re annoyed, do something, get over it, or leave.
  • Should you storm out? Your boss hates this advice on how to rage quit! Number five will shock you! <other Buzzfeed-y titles here>.
  • … and much more!

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