The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders trying to suck less every day, with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 047: "Inevitable Heat Death of the Company"

Wherein Chidi's dissertation is too long and Rube Goldberg takes the meeting notes.

published Nov 23, 2021
Show Notes

  • The guys pick apart some more detail and nuance about stocks and options.
  • Which industry names things the worst? The guys debate. Healthcare? Tech? Finance?
  • Frank comes in hot with a Grand Unified Theory of solving problems.
    • Are tech problems actually business problems in disguise? Chris agrees.
    • Are business problems actually people problems? Chris begrudingly agrees.
    • Are people problems actually always about authority and responsibility? The guys fight.
  • Chris thinks there aren’t any grand conspiracies… but it sure does look like it. He claims Big Things™ are the culprit.
  • The picks of the week are Gartic Phone and - two great web-based games for remote teams. Thanks Joel!
  • … and much more!

Refactored 046: "Take Stock of Your Options"

Wherein Chris is the assistant (to the) floor sweeper and this is not financial advice.

published Nov 17, 2021
Show Notes

  • Chris is the worst, man. Like, why the holdup bro? We want our dang episodes already. Geeze.
  • Frank once again launches into an entire tirade about how ALL DigitalOcean executives should be jailed.
  • The guys talk equity. LOTS of ground covered at fairly high level, including:
    • Stock / shares
    • Options contracts
    • Insider trading (spoiler: just don’t, or the SEC will do unsavory things to your legal and financial posterior)
    • Vesting schedules and cliffs
    • Dividends
    • Market cap
  • Investopedia is a great reference if you still have questions. That, and a PROPER FINANCIAL ADVISOR!
  • The pick of the week is Increment, a digital (and physical!) software engneering magazine from the folks at Stripe.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 045: "The Best Pizza for your Flooz"

Wherein Frank lobbies for DigitalOcean executives to be jailed, and that's all that was discussed.

published Nov 12, 2021
Show Notes

  • The guys get some props from friend of the show and Podomatic co-founder Justin. Hi Justin! Apparently we’re pretty hardcore!
  • The guys like, from their perspective, think that, maybe, like, people should pay attention to, um, how they speak. For #@!& sake!
  • Frank explains a flaw in the authentication process of DigitalOcean. Remember, kids, it’s all about defense in depth!
  • Did you know DigitalOcean (NYSE:DOCN) was public? We didn’t. But we bought some. Not financial advice.
  • Bitcoin (BTC) - currency or store of value? What’s the difference? Chris bungles the explanation. Seriously, if you take a shot every time he misspeaks, you won’t make it to your next podcast.
  • The guys bash Dogecoin. “Fundamentals? We don’t need to stinkin' fundamentals!”
  • You ever put Velveeta Cheese on Spaghettios? Chris has. He hated it. Also, Yelp sucks.
  • Frank has questions about GameStop (NYSE:GME). Chris changes into his fancier tin foil hat.
  • The pick of the week is DigitalOcean, great (and easy to consume) cloud hosting.
  • … and much more!

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