The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 088: "We've Always Done It That Way"

Wherein the guys lube up some 30-year-old animatronics.

published Nov 22, 2022
Show Notes

  • Jurassic Park holds up, man. Even when Xfinity flakes out for an entire week.
  • You know what really grinds our gears? People who defend their actions solely on the basis of tradition.
  • “The last guy” isn’t nearly the myopic troll he’s made out to be. Don’t be the new guy that throws the last guy under the bus.
  • The macroeconomic environment is bad, no denying it. Some of the tech pullback is directly tied to Fed rates, but Frank extracts a key lesson about sustainable growth.
  • Frank offers a $1,000 cash reward for anyone who can identify where the QWERTY keys are on Chris' Moonlander (photo below). Was it a sincere offer? not-sure-if.jpg
  • The guys want some real world feedback on anyone who has lubed their mechanical keeb.
  • The pick of the week is Good to Great, by Jim Collins.
  • … and much more!

Chris' ZSA Moonlander

Refactored 087: "Cloud Ragnarök"

Wherein Chris gets fired and Frank still harbors a lot of FAANGer.

published Nov 15, 2022
Show Notes

  • Frank is super hype for the new God of War, if you couldn’t tell.
  • is — unfortunately — a super interesting site right now.
  • The big bois are all announcing hiring freezes and/or layoffs right now. Most recently Facebook and Apple. Rumors about Amazon next. Chris has a somber prediction.
  • The guys talk resumes. Few quick tips:
    • Quantify All The Things.
    • Talk about you, not your team.
    • Speak to accomplishments, not responsibilities.
    • Highlight your role, not your company.
    • Frank wrote about this topic in more depth.
  • The guys debate the value proposition of the cloud. dhh is moving HEY off the cloud (link to article and podcast).
  • Is the fediverse ready for prime time as Twitter’s future is uncertain? The guys discuss Mastodon, Diaspora, PeerTube, etc.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 086: "George Foreman Cosplay"

Wherein Frank is basically a cheap Star Fox knockoff and Chris burns his foot cooking bacon.

published Nov 8, 2022
Show Notes

  • Lachlan Patterson has some funny analysis on designing the George Foreman grill.
  • Frank argues well that your product (service?) design needs to be very focused. Be cutthroat.
  • Feedback: “Does DevOps mean anything now that a bunch of companies are ‘doing DevOps’ but not really doing anything differently than before?”
  • The pick of the week is the George Foreman Grill. Yes… that one.
  • … and much more!

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