The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 121: "Mungers Three Rules"

Wherein the guys TOTALLY own a bunch of BRK-A...

published Dec 15, 2023
Show Notes

  • exists (little did Chris know). Also, don’t buy their USB-C KVMs.
  • Charlie Munger asserted three rules for career satisfaction:
    1. Don’t sell anything you wouldn’t buy yourself.
    2. Don’t work for anyone you don’t respect and admire.
    3. Work only with people you enjoy.
  • Crypto is fake. Doesn’t exist. Figment of your imagination. Or is it?
  • According to Chris, Electron sucks and Teams sucks. (obligatory).
  • The guys muse, are we on the threshold of another browser wars? Chrome’s gettin awfully popular out there…
  • Google has yet MOAR AI-related egg on their face.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 120: "Business Development Dark Patterns"

Wherein Chris buys baking soda and Frank can't have PIP.

published Dec 8, 2023
Show Notes

  • Chris buys too many new servers. His advice: avoid eBay.
  • Everyone rants. Frank about YouTube, Chris about cable. Enshittification is real, friends.
  • Chris mints “Biz Dev Dark Patterns” and rampant capitalism ensues.
  • Odyssey of the Mind - pretty cool. Destination Imagination thought so, too.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 119: "Avoid Cyber Bikeshedding"

Wherein noone actually pair programs, bruh

published Nov 3, 2023
Show Notes

  • The guys talk about variable naming. Great content!
  • Frank recounts his recent talk: Avoiding Cyber Bikeshedding (see below)
  • Chris has a spicy take on “shift left” everywhere.
  • Frank thinks testing - get this - is actually helpful. You believe this guy?
  • “Yes and [go f*** yourself]” is the right attitude to have!
  • … and much more!
for the software developer for the security practiioner
1 thing to study OWASP Top 10 Git
1 thing to use SAST/DAST ChatGPT
1 thing to do Google “hardening X” Pair programming

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