The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders trying to suck less every day, with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 068: "Well-Rounded Cybers"

Wherein Chris is a perv and Frank grovels for work.

published May 11, 2022
Show Notes

  • Holy moly y’all — Frank got a new job, and now he’s doing the cybers!
  • Do you lead your personal brand with “ex-Facebook,” “ex-Google,” or similar? You maybe shouldn’t do that, the guys think.
  • The guys discuss the infosec “community.” Cliquey like Mean Girls but boy oh boy can some of those folks executive.
  • Speaking of executives… the topic of well-roundedness comes up. You gotta be a perfect circle? Or would, say, octacontaheptagonal be smooth enough? Mild debate ensues.
  • Feedback: Joyce asks, “What are your thoughts on the best ways for handling goal setting and employee reviews?”
  • The pick of the week is the Freakonomics podcast, specifically the current series on higher education (starting with episode 500) - it speaks to (much more than) the debate from Refactored #062.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 067: "Make Boring Great Again"

Wherein Chris is not afraid of Big Bootcamp and Frank tells n00bs to git gud.

published Apr 30, 2022
Show Notes

  • Frank blows a bunch of money on some hoity-toity markers only to revert back to Expo.
  • Chris remembers the SaltStack vs Puppet decision differently than Frank, but they both agree, they wanted the Boring™ option.
  • Should Everyone Code? No. The answer is no. Not everyone should code. This is rookie marketing, and it’s bad.
  • Is Excel the largest and most popular development platform in the world? The guys discuss, and you may dislike their conclusion.
  • Feedback: Joe asks, “What is different about being an effective consultant vs being an effective employee for the same company?”
  • The (unofficial) pick of the week is The Practice of Professional Consulting by Edward G. Verlander.
  • … and much more!

Administrative note: One of the guys is quote “sick” (da hell kinda excuse is that? Is this the third grade?) and the other is “busy” with “back to back business travel” (sure bruh, sure - go ahead and lie to us, just don’t lie to yourself) but we expect the next eepisod to drop on May 10th.

Refactored 066: "The FTC gets it... right?"

Wherein Frank goes rogue for ice cream and things get sultry.

published Apr 19, 2022
Show Notes

  • Frank bemoans the configuration of new peripherals (like his Shure SM7B). Why is it always such a pain?
  • Chris got a free vacation from airline miles and hotel points. That stuff actually works!
  • The guys discuss the logic - and implications - of the FTC’s recent order for Weight Watchers to destroy it’s data models following precedent from the Cambridge Analytica scandal.
  • Simon Sinek enters the chat when the guys talk about metacognition and Start With Why comes up.
  • Feedback: Dave asks, “Do you feel that micromanagement of teams impacts their productivity?”
  • … and much more!

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