The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

Recent Episodes

Refactored 129: "World of WarCAP"

Wherein Chris hates Postgres and Frank gets a new aura.

published Mar 22, 2024
Show Notes

  • MongoDB. The wrong choice for your website, but thankfully at least it’s “Web Scale”.
    • Chris rants. Hard.
    • Postgres has “inexact” numerics. Today Chris learned.
    • NewSQL lets you pretend to break the CAP Theorem for your ACID RDBMS.
  • Frank has a bone to pick with Blizzards implementation of Private Auras.
    • Good intentions with poor implementations, still suck.
  • The guys fight about balancing Waterfall and Agile. (I know, the W-word, ick, amirite?)
  • … and much more!

Refactored 128: "Jobs Destroyed or Prevented"

Wherein David Spader fights Sam Altman.

published Mar 15, 2024
Show Notes

  • It was Pi Day! The guys… well, the guys basically just complain.
  • Devin exists now. The guys debate whether “he” (is that misgendering?) will replace you.
  • Frank points towards the… uh… bold? stupid? boring? prediction that There will be no programmers in 5 years.
  • Chris reveals that he invented The Jetsons. Please send cash, check, or money order for your royalties.
  • Frank and Chris fight a little on the value of the infamous Backlog.
    • Should you declare backlog bankruptcy?
    • If not, is it a shield or a sword?
  • … and much more!

Refactored 127: "Gandalf on a T-Rex"

Wherein Chris does calculus and Frank has a bone to pick.

published Mar 8, 2024
Show Notes

  • The guys debate compenastion transparency, but not the way you think.
    • Should managers hold comp info? Um, duh. What are we even doing here?
    • Should companies be fully comp-transparent? That’s more complex.
  • “At will” employment is the only will, per the guys.
  • Chris has an exposed nerve about the word “resources.”
  • The guys debate COLA (Cost Of Living Adjustment) strategy.
  • … and much more!

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