The [REFACTORED] Podcast

A casual, ongoing conversation between two technology leaders trying to suck less every day, with Chris Tonkinson and Frank Koehl.


React.js, SCSS, Big-O, Kubernetes, TLS.
The guys have cut and run CAT5 through
plenum, built and racked servers, found
SQL Server performance bottlenecks, and
written a hell of a lot of good software.


From Enterprise to small business, the
guys have managed and built teams for
years; serial entrepreneurs with strong
cross-functional acumen and a knack for
translating between "geek" and "human."


Frank brings the energetic snark. Chris
brings the cranky optimism. Together,
they can barely get through a single show
without devolving into petty ad-hominem
attacks and, often, childish sound effects.

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Recent Episodes

Refactored 032: "Is Your Basement a Cloud?"

Wherein Frank has some serious words about certain words.

published Aug 4, 2021
Show Notes

  • The guys kvetch about people inadvertently making our highways worse when they think they are helping. Is this low-brow watercooler small talk, or a veiled exploration on the broader topic of unintended consequenses represented through allegory using motorists with a hero complex as the contrived plot device? You decide! But also, educate yourself on the Zipper merge.
  • What does “multi-cloud” mean to you? SalesForce may disagree with your definition.
  • Frank hates the word “cloud” and debates its essential utility. Chris has a less visceral reaction.
  • Chris learns a new term: “citizen developer” (relative to things like Excel and Low-Code solutions).
  • The guys manage to avoid Philosophy Hour after agreeing: If you can’t teach it, you don’t really know it.
  • The pick of the week is Digital Ocean even though the guys didn’t play the jingle.
  • … and much more!

Refactored 031: "Bridge the Gap"

Wherein the guys are flush with Maseratis, bruh... got that mad advertising paper y'all.

published Jul 29, 2021
Show Notes

  • The guys follow-up on the talent shortage. Turns out, there just aren’t enough people.
  • Frank asserts (as a manager) you probably have good leverage to restructure your overall benefits offering, and Chris voices the corollary that (as an employee) it’s a good time to “shop it around.”
  • Chris revises the “greenfield” analogy - he thinks a tree is a better metaphor than grass.
  • Do older developers grow to like legacy products? Or can “damn kids these days” just not see the Matrix?
  • The guys discuss capitalizable development - do you know what kind of financial engineering happens behind the scenes of your code?
  • … and much more!

Refactored 030: "Deere John, I Quit"

Wherein salesfolk annoy Frank to no end, and Chris sounds like Elmer Fudd.

published Jul 20, 2021
Show Notes

  • The guys go on vacation… or do they? Frank has the unmitigated gall to practice self-care, while Chris works during PTO to achieve maximum self-flagellation.
  • Chris thinks he has a bad power supply unit in his PC, and asks Frank for advice.
  • Frank rails against sales practices that waste his time.
  • The current technology talent shortage is revisited. Is it “because COVID?” The guys discuss the value in reviewing attrition carefully. Like as in, ya really should.
  • Saturn (the auto company, not the planet) sucked.
  • The guys get into a whole Right to Repair thing - iPhones and tractors and Teslas, oh my!
  • The pick of the week is the Odd Lots podcast.
  • … and much more!

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